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Date: Sat, January 21, 1999
7:52:37 -0400
Subject: your fission fixation
From: Zo <zoalex@aol.com>
To: parfit@nyu.edu
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Hi Derek,
Long time no
see. Have I ever got a surprise for you!
Do you remember
our arguments about fission, when I was accusing you of
pinning too much on it? I got to thinking about this
again because I had to write a this memo about my thesis
for some lawyers, and then I was talking about it last
night with a friend. I am writing on a wireless laptop
from the mountains near Seattle.
--By the way,
first of all, you don't happen to have a copy of my
thesis, do you ? I'm pretty sure you don't, but the thing
is this guy Epstein is a friend of mine whom Liddy was
suing for plagiarims. You've probably heard about the
case. It really was a big mess a couple of months ago,
actually I haven't heard antying recently. --Anyway it
appears that Liddy actually plagiarized him PLUS MY
THESIS (believe it or not!!) and worse he stole it out of
the NYU library so I can't prove it. --So if you have a
copy that'd probably help him. Please let me know.
Apparently Nagel doesn't have it.
I always felt
that insofar as you wanted to spell out ramifications for
any type of reductionist theory, you shouldn't rely so
much on fission arguments. But additionally, I also
wanted to make coherent the survival
interpretation.-- Obviously surviving with two bodies
would be bizarre etc etc but it seemed to me that you
shouldn't build on the assumption of no survival because
somebody coherently could explicate reductionism so that
the survival
interpretation not only turned out coherent but was well
motivated. WELL SOMEBODY ALREADY DID!!!! (Excercize left
for reader. Hint: Long white hair.)
Even funnier,
Derek, is that you yourself had a "survival"
interpretation in your 1971 article (you suggested we
more or less revise use of the term survive
so that one would "survive" even though nobody
afterwards would be the same person as you (that is, no
one identical with you)--But then you changed your mind
in your book: assuming "no survival & no
identity" in fission you argued that one could still
have what matters in survival even without it.
Derek, this
allows me to resurrect what I was trying to do in the
thesis!!!--I realize I didn't really get anywhere, which
is why it is so silly to be asking if you have a copy
--why would you have kept it!? --by the way, do you
remember the time wh4en the cop arrested me after I
punched you.? I think it was in the park. --it was so
hilarious, I have never laughted so hard... I had
resorted to THE EMPIRICAL ARGUMENT wherein I
was claiming to have survived
fission and demanding that you show me what precisely
was wrong with my thinking. The cop thought I was a drug
crazed loony (which wasnt' true, I'd stopped by then)
after I announced to him in no uncertain terms that I was
a member of a famous cult, the Branch Parfitians --and
then he went ahead and arrested me --and then you punched
him and you
got arrested yourself trying to save me from the law.
Anyway while we were sitting at the precinct station
getting booked I had that idea about the
two trains on the shift to
reductionism--I included it as an appendix in the thesis
but things got crazy especially after my prints were
accepted at the Guggenheim, etc.-- I don't think we ever
talked about it again.
The two
trains are about the effects of shifting
beliefs to encompass more carefully in experience the
fact that we are not dense (that is, no separately
existing self, etc). On the A Train, I now am more
disconnected from myself in the past and future. On the B
Train, I am more closely connected to other people. --
Derek, you took the A Train!
Hey, I have to
go. -- going to Roast marshmallows with Erin's daughter,
she's already five. Can you believe it? The brilliant
age. Erin says hi.-- Please look for my thesis.
Best regards,
Zoe
| Mulder:
This is incredible!! I can't believe this! Now
she is taking credit for Liddy's pathbreaking
work on the Switch to Nondensity.
What Liddy has done is to show that in his
arguments about the normative ramifications of
reductionism (the Rams) Parfit
focusses on (A) potential increased
separation within the life of a single person rather
than (B) decreased separation
between distinct people. Let me explain.
A and B are alternative trains on the
shift to reductionism. To make it more precise,
consider two relations R1 and S1 as in this
diagram:
Diagram.
Trains A and B.
me
at later times
//
R1
-----me
now
\\
S1
you
at later times
When I
shift my beliefs to reductionism, I may come to
believe that the relations R1 and S1 are
more alike than I had been
assuming prior to the shift. This may not happen,
and indeed the question whether it should happen,
given the attitudes I tend to have, needs to be
investigated. But it is plausible that it will
and should happen insofar as it can be shown that
the relations R1 and S1 are more alike in
important respects given nondensity than they
would be if we were dense. Given density, Liddy
argues, R1 is simply identity of a dense entity
(a simple, indivisible thing, etc.) whereas S1 is
a social relation of some type between two
distinct dense entities. Given nondensity, while
R1 is again identity, there is no simple,
indivisible entity, and the psychological
connections between me now and me later play a
significant role (e.g. it is not necessarily
all-or-nothing, hence the possibility of
indeterminacy, as even non-reductionists like
McDowell can and do acknowledge). These
psychological relations may be similar to the
social relations that hold between me now and you
later. If so, R1 is more like S1 given nondensity
than it would be given density. By the way, the
reason Liddy talks about the switch to
nondensity rather than (like Parfit) the
shift to reductionism
is to include nonreductionists like McDowell in
the discussion. McD is not a
reductionist because he denies that
the relations that constitute R (such as memory
and intention) can be given a non-circular
identity-free analysis. But
nonetheless, insofar as he rejects aspects of
density he also can ponder the Rams. --But I
digress.
The two
distinct trains on the shift to
non-density are views about what should happen,
concerning my attitudes about R1 and S1, given
that the relations become more alike when we make
the shift:
TRAIN
A: My attitudes about INTRApersonal
R1 should become more like my antecedent
attitudes about INTERpersonal
S1.
TRAIN
B: My attitudes about INTERpersonal
S1 should become more like my antecedent
attitudes about INTRApersonal
R1.
On A,
my attitudes about my own
future or past should become more like my
antecedent attitudes about the futures and pasts
of others, whereas
on B my attitudes about the futures and pasts of others
should become more like my
antecedent attitudes toward my
own future and past. To see
the difference between the two Trains on the
shift to nondensity, let us consider an example.
Consider
death. There will be a time later when I do not
exist. On train A on the shift to nondensity, my
attitudes become more like my antecdent attitudes
about the deaths of others. Even when I have
cared a great deal about them, I still have
tended to be less concerned about their deaths
than about mine. Shifting to nondensity via Train
A, one comes to care less about one's own death:
one may have more equanimity of the the type
which Parfit expresses when he says that what my
death means is simply that at later times there
will be no events or states R-related to mine
now. One cares less about
one's own death. The Train B
effect is different: instead one comes to care
more about the deaths of others insofar
as one's attitudes shift to become more like
one's antecedent attitudes towards one's own
death. Liddy points out that if one adopts both
Train A and B, which is possible, one develops
more equanimity about one's own death while also
coming to care more about the deaths of others.
Similar points can be made about injuries or
harms that one or others suffer. On a Train A
shift to nondensity, one comes to care less
about harms to oneself,
whereas on B one comes to care
more about harms to others.
Or look
at the case where I survive another's death
(perhaps we were in a serious accident together
where I survive but she did not). On Train A
there may be no effect at all in making the
shift. Of course my joy in surviving may be
tempered by her not being around anymore --but
only because I may miss her, perhaps feel guilty
in some way, and so forth. The shift to
nondensity itself via Train A wouldn't change
anything (since it pertains only to my attitudes
about me now and me later). But on Train B there
is an interesting change because my attitude
towards her death becomes more
like my antecedent attitude towards my own death.
My joy is tempered not only because I miss her
but because her death becomes
to me more like my own death.
Similarly, adopting Train B on another's
surviving my death, my attitude towards her
survival becomes more like my attitudes toward my
own. Her surviving becomes to me more like my
own surviving.
There.
That's it. Liddy says much more, BUT IF YOU WANT
INTERESTING AND SIGNIFICANT RAMIFICATIONS OF THE
SHIFT TO REDUCTIONISM, LOOK NO FURTHER. If one
shifts to reductionism via both Trains A and B
then one will be less likely to harm others in
situations in which some type of self sacrifice
is required in order to avoid harming. Perhaps
the effect would be small. It is intended to be a
modest claim. (Incidentally, Scully, the real Branch
Parfitians are
characterized by their riding on the B Train in
contrast with Parfit's taking the A Train.)
Scully:
That is interesting, Mulder. You explained that
nicely, and it is interesting. Thanks. I really
mean that. And once you see the distinction it is
quite evident that Parfit takes the A train
almost exclusively in discussing the
Rams. -- By the way, why are you so sure
that Zoe Alexander stole it from J. Gordon Liddy
rather than vice versa?--
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