Zoe writes to Parfit about how to improve the thesis / the Branch Parfitians

 

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Date: Sat, January 21, 1999 7:52:37 -0400

Subject: your fission fixation

From: Zo <zoalex@aol.com>

To: parfit@nyu.edu

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Hi Derek,

Long time no see. Have I ever got a surprise for you!

Do you remember our arguments about fission, when I was accusing you of pinning too much on it? I got to thinking about this again because I had to write a this memo about my thesis for some lawyers, and then I was talking about it last night with a friend. I am writing on a wireless laptop from the mountains near Seattle.

--By the way, first of all, you don't happen to have a copy of my thesis, do you ? I'm pretty sure you don't, but the thing is this guy Epstein is a friend of mine whom Liddy was suing for plagiarims. You've probably heard about the case. It really was a big mess a couple of months ago, actually I haven't heard antying recently. --Anyway it appears that Liddy actually plagiarized him PLUS MY THESIS (believe it or not!!) and worse he stole it out of the NYU library so I can't prove it. --So if you have a copy that'd probably help him. Please let me know. Apparently Nagel doesn't have it.

I always felt that insofar as you wanted to spell out ramifications for any type of reductionist theory, you shouldn't rely so much on fission arguments. But additionally, I also wanted to make coherent the “survival” interpretation.-- Obviously surviving with two bodies would be bizarre etc etc but it seemed to me that you shouldn't build on the assumption of no survival because somebody coherently could explicate reductionism so that the survival interpretation not only turned out coherent but was well motivated. WELL SOMEBODY ALREADY DID!!!! (Excercize left for reader. Hint: Long white hair.)

Even funnier, Derek, is that you yourself had a "survival" interpretation in your 1971 article (you suggested we more or less revise use of the term survive so that one would "survive" even though nobody afterwards would be the same person as you (that is, no one identical with you)--But then you changed your mind in your book: assuming "no survival & no identity" in fission you argued that one could still have what matters in survival even without it.

Derek, this allows me to resurrect what I was trying to do in the thesis!!!--I realize I didn't really get anywhere, which is why it is so silly to be asking if you have a copy --why would you have kept it!? --by the way, do you remember the time wh4en the cop arrested me after I punched you.? I think it was in the park. --it was so hilarious, I have never laughted so hard... I had resorted to THE “EMPIRICAL ARGUMENT” wherein I was claiming to have survived fission and demanding that you show me what precisely was wrong with my thinking. The cop thought I was a drug crazed loony (which wasnt' true, I'd stopped by then) after I announced to him in no uncertain terms that I was a member of a famous cult, the Branch Parfitians --and then he went ahead and arrested me --and then you punched him and you got arrested yourself trying to save me from the law. Anyway while we were sitting at the precinct station getting booked I had that idea about the two trains on the shift to reductionism--I included it as an appendix in the thesis but things got crazy especially after my prints were accepted at the Guggenheim, etc.-- I don't think we ever talked about it again.

The two “trains” are about the effects of shifting beliefs to encompass more carefully in experience the fact that we are not dense (that is, no separately existing self, etc). On the A Train, I now am more disconnected from myself in the past and future. On the B Train, I am more closely connected to other people. -- Derek, you took the A Train!

Hey, I have to go. -- going to Roast marshmallows with Erin's daughter, she's already five. Can you believe it? The brilliant age. Erin says hi.-- Please look for my thesis.

Best regards,

Zoe

Mulder: This is incredible!! I can't believe this! Now she is taking credit for Liddy's pathbreaking work on the “Switch to Nondensity”. What Liddy has done is to show that in his arguments about the normative ramifications of reductionism (“the Rams”) Parfit focusses on (A) potential increased separation within the life of a single person rather than (B) decreased separation between distinct people.

Let me explain. A and B are alternative “trains” on the shift to reductionism. To make it more precise, consider two relations R1 and S1 as in this diagram:

Diagram. Trains A and B.

me at later times

// R1

-----me now

\\ S1

you at later times

When I shift my beliefs to reductionism, I may come to believe that the relations R1 and S1 are more alike than I had been assuming prior to the shift. This may not happen, and indeed the question whether it should happen, given the attitudes I tend to have, needs to be investigated. But it is plausible that it will and should happen insofar as it can be shown that the relations R1 and S1 are more alike in important respects given nondensity than they would be if we were dense. Given density, Liddy argues, R1 is simply identity of a dense entity (a simple, indivisible thing, etc.) whereas S1 is a social relation of some type between two distinct dense entities. Given nondensity, while R1 is again identity, there is no simple, indivisible entity, and the psychological connections between me now and me later play a significant role (e.g. it is not necessarily all-or-nothing, hence the possibility of indeterminacy, as even non-reductionists like McDowell can and do acknowledge). These psychological relations may be similar to the social relations that hold between me now and you later. If so, R1 is more like S1 given nondensity than it would be given density. By the way, the reason Liddy talks about the “switch to nondensity” rather than (like Parfit) the “shift to reductionism” is to include nonreductionists like McDowell in the discussion. McD is not a “reductionist” because he denies that the relations that constitute R (such as memory and intention) can be given a non-circular “identity-free” analysis. But nonetheless, insofar as he rejects aspects of density he also can ponder the Rams. --But I digress.

The two distinct “trains” on the shift to non-density are views about what should happen, concerning my attitudes about R1 and S1, given that the relations become more alike when we make the shift:

TRAIN A: My attitudes about INTRApersonal R1 should become more like my antecedent attitudes about INTERpersonal S1.

TRAIN B: My attitudes about INTERpersonal S1 should become more like my antecedent attitudes about INTRApersonal R1.

On A, my attitudes about my own future or past should become more like my antecedent attitudes about the futures and pasts of others, whereas on B my attitudes about the futures and pasts of others should become more like my antecedent attitudes toward my own future and past. To see the difference between the two Trains on the shift to nondensity, let us consider an example.

Consider death. There will be a time later when I do not exist. On train A on the shift to nondensity, my attitudes become more like my antecdent attitudes about the deaths of others. Even when I have cared a great deal about them, I still have tended to be less concerned about their deaths than about mine. Shifting to nondensity via Train A, one comes to care less about one's own death: one may have more equanimity of the the type which Parfit expresses when he says that what my death means is simply that at later times there will be no events or states R-related to mine now. One cares less about one's own death. The Train B effect is different: instead one comes to care more about the deaths of others insofar as one's attitudes shift to become more like one's antecedent attitudes towards one's own death. Liddy points out that if one adopts both Train A and B, which is possible, one develops more equanimity about one's own death while also coming to care more about the deaths of others. Similar points can be made about injuries or harms that one or others suffer. On a Train A shift to nondensity, one comes to care less about harms to oneself, whereas on B one comes to care more about harms to others.

Or look at the case where I survive another's death (perhaps we were in a serious accident together where I survive but she did not). On Train A there may be no effect at all in making the shift. Of course my joy in surviving may be tempered by her not being around anymore --but only because I may miss her, perhaps feel guilty in some way, and so forth. The shift to nondensity itself via Train A wouldn't change anything (since it pertains only to my attitudes about me now and me later). But on Train B there is an interesting change because my attitude towards her death becomes more like my antecedent attitude towards my own death. My joy is tempered not only because I miss her but because her death becomes to me more like my own death. Similarly, adopting Train B on another's surviving my death, my attitude towards her survival becomes more like my attitudes toward my own. Her surviving becomes to me more like my own surviving.

There. That's it. Liddy says much more, BUT IF YOU WANT INTERESTING AND SIGNIFICANT RAMIFICATIONS OF THE SHIFT TO REDUCTIONISM, LOOK NO FURTHER. If one shifts to reductionism via both Trains A and B then one will be less likely to harm others in situations in which some type of self sacrifice is required in order to avoid harming. Perhaps the effect would be small. It is intended to be a modest claim. (Incidentally, Scully, the real Branch Parfitians are characterized by their riding on the B Train in contrast with Parfit's taking the A Train.)

Scully: That is interesting, Mulder. You explained that nicely, and it is interesting. Thanks. I really mean that. And once you see the distinction it is quite evident that Parfit takes the A train almost exclusively in discussing “the Rams.” -- By the way, why are you so sure that Zoe Alexander stole it from J. Gordon Liddy rather than vice versa?--

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